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Tuesday, March 14, 2017

Winter is coming


I addressed this in last night's Darkstream. Civic nationalism is total bullshit; it's nothing more than localized stealth globalism. Yes, Americans bleed red, so do kangaroos and iguanas and Nigerians.

There are no New Americans. There are only Not Americans. And the more Not Americans that reside in the USA, the less American it will become. X can never be Not-X, and redefining X makes it Not-X, by literal definition.

Yes, this flies in the face of all the civic rhetoric you were taught as a child. It's time to grow up and stop cucking. Demographic winter is coming.

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141 Comments:

Blogger JAU March 14, 2017 11:05 AM  

If X can _never_ be not-x why call for a return to 1965 demographics rather than 1791 demographics?

Blogger The Kurgan March 14, 2017 11:10 AM  

The problem as I see it is the same one my grandfather told me I had, Vox.
We're born 200 years too early.
Or late, allowing for piracy.

Anonymous Iacobus March 14, 2017 11:11 AM  

We're under no obligation to accept anyone at any time, for whatever fucking reason. Any other argument constitutes cultural suicide.

They can shout "BUT THAT'S NOT WHO WE ARE™!" all they want. I don't give a shit. It's bad enough SJWs have changed the Christian culture into some version of Sodom. Enough.

Blogger Some Dude March 14, 2017 11:16 AM  

They love semantics. They are not 'illegal', they're proto-americans, 'real americans without documents', 'refugees', 'cute furry animals' etc.

And so, what one must understand is not only the un-X becomes X, but what was X becomes un-X.

Now real americans are foreignors and infiltrators. Saboteurs. Traitors.

Nietsche has written extensively on the peculiar way they do it by inverting morality. The trick is to invert morality by appealing to a shard of morality - Christian compassion - and then weaponising it to break the rest.

After all - it was chirstian compassion that abolished slavery, preordained 'diversity' (first of religion remember, and Rotshild's ascent to parlia ment without taking the christian oath), and gave to animus to help 'the other' - who was technically also poor.

Very intelligent.

Anonymous Clueless Cuckservative March 14, 2017 11:21 AM  

But...but...but...BUT...Muh Emma Lazarus!
Muh Emma Lazarus! Listen to me, damn it!
Nation of immigrants!! Muh Emma Lazarus!!

Anonymous Jeff March 14, 2017 11:22 AM  

The Left hate all of the God Emperor's policies, but the one that REALLY seems to get them worked up is the immigration ban.

Anonymous offtopic March 14, 2017 11:25 AM  

You mentioned Mark Levin in your periscope yesterday regarding a comment on rush limbaugh, "7B Americans". It was Mark Stein guest hosting the program not Mark Levin.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zHoDANH-R8

Anonymous #5454 March 14, 2017 11:26 AM  

The Left knows immigration is the inevitable death of this country as it once was.
That is why they fight Trump for it more than anything else.

Blogger Robert What? March 14, 2017 11:26 AM  

Remind me who real Americans are again? Obviously the dwindling number who can trace their ancestry back to the original Anglo founders. But what about the descendants of the Germans and Swedes who came over a century or two ago? What about modern Anglos who came from the UK and naturalized? Descendants of Irish, Italian or Greek immigrants? What about the Louisiana Cajuns of French descent. They are all White and of European descent. So how do we tell?

Blogger Wynn Lloyd March 14, 2017 11:29 AM  

There should be little to no tolerance for the "what about xyz, he fought for our country and he's not white, etc."It's just a rhetorical tactic.

Those of us who of biracial or nonwhite origin who ARE the few who are assimilated, and identify as Americans above all, will have zero problem with a white racial essentialist identity for America.
My Chinese blood only makes me exotic if I'm in a room filled with whites. If it's a room full of Chinese, I'll be despised for being a hapa.
Any non whites who truly love America by default live the historic American majority, and see themselves as individual outliers attached to the western whole.

In a society that is 85% + white being part of the 15% is quite a good situation.
Minorities should acknowledge the primacy of western civilization or face deportation.
These are just my thoughts. I am no expert on the Alt-right or Politics in General. All I know is I love the southern region of the United States and do not want to see it ruined.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd March 14, 2017 11:32 AM  

"Love" not "live" the historic American majority.

Blogger Salt March 14, 2017 11:32 AM  

There are no New Americans. There are only Not Americans.

An ~American (~ being in the loosest sense) is one who has been granted the citizenship privilege of being in the tribe, a valid claim though wholly different from one who is Of The Tribe. The ~ may have been granted membership, but they sure as hell ain't one of us.

Blogger tuberman March 14, 2017 11:33 AM  

Game of Thrones meme for here come the ice zombies!

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 14, 2017 11:35 AM  

People of color cannot be asked enough what they think of white liberals. That was my first thought when I glanced at the bottom half of that meme.

FTR I will state I believe there are few Scalzi fans pictured in that meme.

Anonymous kfg March 14, 2017 11:37 AM  

@9: "So how do we tell?"

Look at which direction they're shooting.

OpenID paworldandtimes March 14, 2017 11:39 AM  

Good use of male faces as aspirational image. Our female beauty has to be at most balanced with male virility and when shown, it ought to focus on their maternal/domestic virtues. Over-promoting White-girl magic is counterproductive at this point. The men represent the race.

PA

Blogger Gaiseric March 14, 2017 11:40 AM  

@12 Paperwork Americans is just another word for Not Americans.

Blogger Shimshon March 14, 2017 11:40 AM  

The (((usual suspects))) are complaining about the potential ill treatment.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-14/eu-bans-islamic-headscarf-sparking-angry-protest-soros-funded-group

My good man. Chief Rabbi Pinchas Goldschmidt. President of the Conference of European Rabbis. The exile is over. Stop complaining about the goyim and come home where you belong. You can proudly wear your kippah (and black hat) here without concern.

Anonymous trev006 March 14, 2017 11:41 AM  

Immigration ban? Trump's taken preposterously negative press just for banning immigration without current green cards from multiple "states of concern." Not only are most minorities not affected, it's pretty clear the ban doesn't go far enough to achieve its own goals- a moratorium almost certainly doesn't have the President supporting it, never mind the broader country.

Of course, given that Trump's actions so far are miles ahead of anyone who could replace him? I'm fine with that.

Blogger Jack Ward March 14, 2017 11:46 AM  

Maybe try the Darkstream again. Probably will freeze after 10 to 20 min. If periscope. Be nice if Gab finishes the beta on the TV function and everything would work right. At least 'right' on my laptop. Or, maybe I'm only of the few having this problem? Frustrating to get into the swing of a particular darkstream then have it go belly up.

Anonymous Mark Auld March 14, 2017 11:46 AM  

I hope Steve King can stay strong;he could be a shining example for the more timid Reps who might remain uncucked.

Anonymous WeAreTheWest March 14, 2017 11:53 AM  

I understand, now, what "God will sort the dead" means.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 14, 2017 11:54 AM  

White guilt is down to satire level, its low hanging fruit, maybe not to intellectuals who are always by nature behind the times but still at satire level.

Same with the ((((((Jooooooos)))))), for years I read about the super menschen from both sides, so I go look for myself and ask a few questions, do my own research and have concluded that this great species of man is about at "Fiddler on the Roof" level. Which is fine, but I'm still not buying the damned horse.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 14, 2017 11:54 AM  

@10 You are right, it's a matter of dominance, of thresholds.

First, however, is for whites to stop acting like success merits guilt. The good news is that the Culture Warriors are hammering us into the monolithic political block necessary for change.

Beliefs are changing. They will change much faster once the lagging, rising parts of this wave roll over. Maybe that's this year, maybe it's not (no one knows.)

I still have a fuzzy forecast that stocks top late summer, and the period between then and 2021 summer (plus or minus a year) makes the past few months look like a lake without a ripple in it.

Anonymous Ironsides March 14, 2017 11:55 AM  

"That's not who we are!"

"You're right -- but that SHOULD be who we are. It's time to stop being weak, suicidal fools kneeling to the Third World."

Blogger VD March 14, 2017 11:58 AM  

why call for a return to 1965 demographics rather than 1791 demographics?

Because it is still possible. The 1791 demographics are not. There are nowhere nearly enough Native Americans, for one thing.

Remind me who real Americans are again?

Those who were Americans in 1791. Give the cuck rhetoric a rest, Robert. It doesn't fool anyone. Everyone sees through the "because there were Germans in Pennsylvania in 1750, my Nigerian wife and my adopted Tanzanian child are just as American as Thomas Jefferson" line.

It is not necessary to sort all that out to determine that if you or your parents or your grandparents showed up after 1965, you're a Not American.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 14, 2017 11:59 AM  

@21 Don't hold too much love for King. In a CNN interview:
KING: Well, actually, if you go down the road a few generations or maybe centuries with the intermarriage, I’d like to see an America that so homogenous that we look a lot the same from that perspective.

Intermarriage? W T F is he talking about? Is he just another "uniform shade of light brown" zealot?

Who does he think is going to "intermarry" with the bottom tier of the photo montage above?

Blogger bw March 14, 2017 11:59 AM  

Over-promoting White-girl magic is counterproductive at this point. The men represent the race PA

Besides, it's really not about numbers after all, but rather the will.

Blogger Stilicho March 14, 2017 12:00 PM  

Winter is coming and the Dark is rising.

Blogger pyrrhus March 14, 2017 12:02 PM  

Bad Moon arising......

Blogger VD March 14, 2017 12:07 PM  

You mentioned Mark Levin in your periscope yesterday regarding a comment on rush limbaugh, "7B Americans". It was Mark Stein guest hosting the program not Mark Levin.

That makes so much more sense now, thanks.

Blogger pyrrhus March 14, 2017 12:07 PM  

VD-"Everyone sees through the "because there were Germans in Pennsylvania in 1750, my Nigerian wife and my adopted Tanzanian child are just as American as Thomas Jefferson" line."

Ben Franklin didn't believe that even the Germans who moved into Pennsylvania were real Americans, and correctly doubted that they would assimilate. In fact, few of them fought on our side in the Revolution.

Anonymous Draxla March 14, 2017 12:09 PM  

dealing with white liberals... an interesting take (albeit a slightly childish site) https://tyronetrump.wordpress.com/2017/03/14/the-white-supremacists-of-the-future-will-call-themselves-anti-racists/

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 14, 2017 12:10 PM  

Intermarriage only contards and cucks believe that shite, what a joke, people are obsessed with breeding and they generally want white or whiter.

The Left is a woman, now do you believe everything that comes out of a woman's mouth, NO of course not.

Blogger Cail Corishev March 14, 2017 12:16 PM  

Remind me who real Americans are again?

Notice how people uncomfortable with this topic always try to steer it in the direction that will get us arguing amongst ourselves and take our eye off the target.

Anonymous Wu Ming March 14, 2017 12:20 PM  

You can be born American in Portugal if your parents were American.

Anonymous El Rojo March 14, 2017 12:23 PM  

"
It is not necessary to sort all that out to determine that if you or your parents or your grandparents showed up after 1965, you're a Not American."

So what is the take on Americans who were brought here as slaves.
Without the welfare state and title 2 of the civil rights act - a case could be made that In time we might of come to a workable relationship with them.

But that didn't happen. So aside from the 10% of them that voted Trump, where do they go from here? Liberia?

Blogger allyn71 March 14, 2017 12:25 PM  

...where do they go from here? Liberia?

Hell most likely

Anonymous Tupakhamon March 14, 2017 12:29 PM  

I wonder what will the migrants do with all the US secret military bases & the nuclear facilities.

Anonymous Andrew E. March 14, 2017 12:31 PM  

Intermarriage? W T F is he talking about? Is he just another "uniform shade of light brown" zealot?

It's not a hopeless comment by King. He's holding to the truth that true assimilation can only happen through intermarriage. That's useful. The next step is to hammer home the point that intermarriage means the end of the white race and what that entails. Point to the Native Americans.

Blogger bob kek mando ( Death To The Boor-geois, Keks To The Lol-etariat ) March 14, 2017 12:32 PM  

7. offtopic March 14, 2017 11:25 AM
It was Mark Stein guest hosting



Steyn.

http://www.steynonline.com/

Blogger c0pperheaded March 14, 2017 12:33 PM  

Speaking as a Limey/Kraut/Potato Nigger, I say we get back to 1965 and then re-assess whether we need to get back to 1791.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 14, 2017 12:34 PM  

Well Sailer is testing my hypothesis that white guilt is now at satire level and the conservative intellectuals still cannot figure that out.

Blogger Elder Son March 14, 2017 12:35 PM  

More to the point. If you are white, Christian, and a traditional America believer, they want you dead. At a minimum, cucked and propagating a mongrel race that eliminates your white ass.

Anonymous kfg March 14, 2017 12:43 PM  

@33:

He's calling for leveraging Rule #4. We're way ahead of him.

Anonymous kfg March 14, 2017 12:46 PM  

"Point to the Native Americans."

http://voxday.blogspot.com/

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky March 14, 2017 12:48 PM  

I'm a Virginian and a Son of the American Revolution by way of my Virginian forefathers. Here in Northern Virginia, you will encounter very few people who identify as Virginians. You hear them say instead, "back in my country [or state], we used to ..." and things like that. These people are sojourning guests on the land. Half of them in Northern Virginia are only here transiently anyway. We're famously transient, where people come from the world over, screw up the place, then skeddaddle off to points unkown (but usually to screw up Florida next).

These people are exactly like the Suitors who became a problem for Odysseus. Violations of the Guest-Host Relationship are _ancient_ and powerful sins. The entirety of Homer's poems can be analyzed entirely along these lines. From the Rape Of Helen until the Purging of the Suitors, and _every_ step along the way, this is the one unswerving major theme.

You find it all over and throughout the bible, too, once you know to look for it. It's everywhere, staring you in the face, page after page after page. It is so omnipresent that I'm amazed that you _never_ hear it brought up in sermons and so forth.

It is as if cultural awareness and recognition of it has been airbrushed from our consciousness. But to take advantage of a host, or of a guest, are MAJOR, EPIC no-nos, and considered high crimes from ancient times.

It is long past time to get our Odysseus on.

Anonymous Eduardo March 14, 2017 12:50 PM  

@39

Probably nothing. It will become a shelter Fallout style XD.

Blogger lesbianwalrus March 14, 2017 12:52 PM  

This has to be one of the most epic civilizational self-annihilations of all time. And this could all have been avoided if people weren't so ignorant of history. Once again, the white man has to learn things the hard way. I just hope most the great art we created survives the next dark age.

Blogger lesbianwalrus March 14, 2017 12:56 PM  

"There are nowhere nearly enough Native Americans, for one thing."

Is there any chance of Native Americans rebuilding their population? I'd like to see them brought back on the map.

Anonymous JI March 14, 2017 12:59 PM  

I wonder what George RR Martin would make of this post...

Blogger Gaiseric March 14, 2017 1:07 PM  

a deplorable rubberducky wrote:You find it all over and throughout the bible, too, once you know to look for it. It's everywhere, staring you in the face, page after page after page. It is so omnipresent that I'm amazed that you _never_ hear it brought up in sermons and so forth.
The other recurring theme that I'm surprised all Churchians and most Christians miss from the Bible is HOW MUCH miscegenation and fraternization with foreigners is discouraged, and how it is pointed to repeatedly as the source of much of Israel's trevails.

Blogger Gaiseric March 14, 2017 1:09 PM  

lesbianwalrus wrote:Is there any chance of Native Americans rebuilding their population? I'd like to see them brought back on the map.
Why; competing with beaners, ragheads, and H1-Bers for the resources of America isn't enough for you and you want to worsen our odds?

Blogger VD March 14, 2017 1:11 PM  

Why; competing with beaners, ragheads, and H1-Bers for the resources of America isn't enough for you and you want to worsen our odds?

Our? Who is this "our" of whom you speak, kemosabe?

Blogger Gaiseric March 14, 2017 1:15 PM  

VD wrote:Why; competing with beaners, ragheads, and H1-Bers for the resources of America isn't enough for you and you want to worsen our odds?

Our? Who is this "our" of whom you speak, kemosabe?

In the immortal words of Boys Don't Cry, "White man speak-em with forked tongue again."

In all seriousness, I have no idea how you could possibly revive Injun civilizations. The numbers are low and they've been so thoroughly hybridized with American civilization that they don't resemble their native civilization anymore at all.

Anonymous Ironsides March 14, 2017 1:18 PM  

Gaiseric wrote:lesbianwalrus wrote:Is there any chance of Native Americans rebuilding their population? I'd like to see them brought back on the map.

Why; competing with beaners, ragheads, and H1-Bers for the resources of America isn't enough for you and you want to worsen our odds?


Well, it WAS a lesbian walrus that said it. One can't expect too much from such an entity.

More seriously, the beaners pretty much ARE Native Americans, with a dab of the white man in them, so the walrus need look no further than the local barrio to have their wishes amply fulfilled.

Blogger Chris Mallory March 14, 2017 1:18 PM  

lesbianwalrus wrote:"There are nowhere nearly enough Native Americans, for one thing."

Is there any chance of Native Americans rebuilding their population? I'd like to see them brought back on the map.


Native Americans still control the Ohio and Tennessee River Valleys. We show up on the map as "Americans" when asked who we are.

Now if you are talking about the tribes of stone age savages who roamed North America before my ancestors slaughtered them, then no they are better left on the dust heap of history where they belong.

Blogger lesbianwalrus March 14, 2017 1:19 PM  

"you want to worsen our odds?"
I'm talking about after whites expel blacks, hispanics, and Jews. This is of course a LONG way off, but it would be fair to Native Americans, as an ethnic group native to this land, to have some land of their own and rebuild themselves as a separate smaller nation.

Blogger Silly But True March 14, 2017 1:22 PM  

@El Rojo: "So what is the take on Americans who were brought here as slaves."

Dr. Ben Carson just recently addressed that point specifically.

On a more practical matter, the Americans brought here as slaves don't matter one damn iota to the discussion in 2017: they're all dead and we don't need to address them any longer.

Blogger Gaiseric March 14, 2017 1:26 PM  

lesbianwalrus wrote:"you want to worsen our odds?"

I'm talking about after whites expel blacks, hispanics, and Jews. This is of course a LONG way off, but it would be fair to Native Americans, as an ethnic group native to this land, to have some land of their own and rebuild themselves as a separate smaller nation.

Well, that's exactly what the reservations are already. If they're not growing and prospering enough for you, it's hardly our fault.

Blogger kurt9 March 14, 2017 1:29 PM  

Winter is coming?

Time to get those islands of competence going.

https://alfinnextlevel.wordpress.com/2016/10/26/age-of-disintegration-age-of-promise-opportunities-of-the-coming-breakup/

Blogger KSC March 14, 2017 1:31 PM  

@26
How would this apply to a pre-1965 US resident who married and had children with a post-1965 US resident? Which bloodline would be taken into account for the purpose of the demographic shift?

Anonymous rw95 March 14, 2017 1:35 PM  

And you're not American either, Vox.

Or Italian.

Get out of western civilization. You have no place in it.

Blogger Resident Moron™ March 14, 2017 1:36 PM  

If they're prone to asking purely hypothetical questions as a flaccid attempt to hide their concern trolling, I'd say they have to go.

But I'm not an American so my opinion don't count either.

Blogger lesbianwalrus March 14, 2017 1:43 PM  

"Well, that's exactly what the reservations are already. If they're not growing and prospering enough for you, it's hardly our fault."
Yeah, I might be expecting too much from them.

Blogger VD March 14, 2017 1:47 PM  

Get out of western civilization. You have no place in it.

Sure, as soon as you get off my continent.

Anyhow, I'll be more than happy to leave Western civilization once it is safe. The world will be better off with it than without it. In an Aztec or Indian society, I'd be an intellectual demigod and totally unconstrained by civilized mores.

One thing the American colonists noted is that no white child raised among Indians ever wanted to return to civilized society. And when forcibly returned, they often escaped and went native again.

Blogger Gaiseric March 14, 2017 1:50 PM  

KSC wrote:@26How would this apply to a pre-1965 US resident who married and had children with a post-1965 US resident? Which bloodline would be taken into account for the purpose of the demographic shift?
But what about meeeEEEE???

Anonymous BBGKB March 14, 2017 1:58 PM  

But...but...but...BUT...Muh Emma Lazarus!

Give us your Stupid, your diseased, your muddled looters yearning for welfare & affirmative action

Over-promoting White-girl magic is counterproductive

Da juice show pretty white girls but never decent looking white guys. Henry Rollins & Kevin Sorbo should have been major movie stars but we get roided didndu woody allen and Shia Lepoof pushed on us!

Blogger Jew613 March 14, 2017 2:15 PM  

lesbianwalrus wrote:"There are nowhere nearly enough Native Americans, for one thing."

Is there any chance of Native Americans rebuilding their population? I'd like to see them brought back on the map.


As things stand the American Indian birth rate in 2013 was 1.33 per woman. At that rate the Indian population will collapse, recovery is unlikely.
Total fertility rates by race USA

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 14, 2017 2:26 PM  

These people are exactly like the Suitors who became a problem for Odysseus. Violations of the Guest-Host Relationship are _ancient_ and powerful sins. The entirety of Homer's poems can be analyzed entirely along these lines. From the Rape Of Helen until the Purging of the Suitors, and _every_ step along the way, this is the one unswerving major theme.

The Laws of Hospitality are not just pre-Christian, they are pre-Pagan.
And these fucks just violate them without so much as an apology.

Anonymous Babeling ChurchCuckian March 14, 2017 2:30 PM  

@47 rubberducky
It is as if cultural awareness and recognition of it has been airbrushed from our consciousness. But to take advantage of a host, or of a guest, are MAJOR, EPIC no-nos, and considered high crimes from ancient times.

No, no, no! It's failing to provide for the sojourner, the stranger, that's the sin! The Good Samaritan was good but didn't go far enough! He should have taken the stranger home, given him his food, offered him his wife or daughter or both! Become a slave to the stranger and given his entire patrimony, only then would the Good Samaritan have been truly good! There are still Americans living in exile in Africa and South America and Asia, we must go and seek them out and bring them here to be enriched by their unique, new Americanness! Anything else is sinful! Sinful, I tell you!

Blogger Daniel March 14, 2017 2:39 PM  

This has been addressed soooo many times here. You think you are smart. You are not

Blogger KSC March 14, 2017 2:41 PM  

@67
It's a reasonable question when going beyond theory into formulating any kind of policy. This circumstance doesn't apply to me, anyhow.

Anonymous Joker March 14, 2017 2:45 PM  

blacks in america will probably be a multistage challenge. Even if blacks segregated into a self contained "state" within the US, in very short order you have created a Liberia or Zimbabwe within our own borders, and all that goes along with vibrant African nations. That mess would never stay contained within their own borders.

Anonymous Grayman March 14, 2017 2:54 PM  

KSC wrote:@67

It's a reasonable question when going beyond theory into formulating any kind of policy. This circumstance doesn't apply to me, anyhow.


Not really. This all ends in the major ethnic groups in the US attempting “cleanse” one another. The major questions are
-what kicks it off
-who does the government side with
-how long before Russia gets covertly involved
-what are the primary alliances formed between the major groups (government / military / white / Black / latin American

The last man standing is the one who discusses policy….

Anonymous Jeff March 14, 2017 3:10 PM  

New Trump Immigration Plan:

If you have at least 70% English DNA, you're in.

New Trump Deportation Plan:

If your DNA is less than 70% English, GTFO.

Blogger Brian H March 14, 2017 3:21 PM  

Brought this up to my church's head pastor this summer for his counsel. He had absolutely nothing to say about it.

I no longer attend his church.

Anonymous BBGKB March 14, 2017 3:25 PM  

-how long before Russia gets covertly involved

The Russians under my bed said they would be happy to supply AK-47s, vodka and ammo to those willing to remove kebab.

Blogger Paulie Boy March 14, 2017 3:27 PM  

Time for Vox to debate that proponent of civic nationalism, Mike Cernovich.

Anonymous Grayman March 14, 2017 3:34 PM  

BBGKB,

If nothing else, America's WMDs (Nuclear, Bio & chem) are not the sort of thing Russia wants popping up on the black markets. Its also in their long term interest to support a potentially friendly/neutral faction if they think that faction has a reasonable chance of being the dominant force.

The nukes aren't so concerning, they take significant infrastructure and cant really be used casually. But the bio and chem weapons are very concerning if control structures start to break down.

Anonymous Grayman March 14, 2017 3:36 PM  

BBGKB,

Ask the russians under your bed if they have any Saiga-12's they might like to drop off as well.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 14, 2017 3:38 PM  

I want RPG-29s from my under the bed Russians

Anonymous Jeff March 14, 2017 3:51 PM  

Time for Vox to debate that proponent of civic nationalism, Mike Cernovich.

That would be a very interesting debate. Not just the subject matter but also the clash of personalities. VD is very calm while Cerno is...not.

Blogger Wanda Sherratt March 14, 2017 3:52 PM  

Robert @9 - "Remind me who real Americans are again? Obviously the dwindling number who can trace their ancestry back to the original Anglo founders."

Hang on, now. Stop and THINK about what you just said there. Why "dwindling"? What makes you think that the descendants of the first generation of Americans are "dwindling"? Do you have any proof of that? Logic dictates the *opposite*: in a healthy community, descendants *multiply*. After 250 years, there are far more people who trace their descent from the first generation of Americans than there were 100 years ago - how could there not be?

I really can't stand this casual assumption that our people and our ways are fated to vanish, just because. Human beings and their societies aren't like nuclear waste, with a determined half-life that can't be altered. This sort of fatalism cuts off all attempts at amelioration before they even get started.

Anonymous Grayman March 14, 2017 3:56 PM  

@82 Mantraman,

A fine choice, but you may want to request both thermobaric and anti-armour rockets. the thermobaric will probably be more useful in the upcoming festivities.

Blogger Gaiseric March 14, 2017 4:00 PM  

KSC wrote:@67It's a reasonable question when going beyond theory into formulating any kind of policy. This circumstance doesn't apply to me, anyhow.
It's a little pedantic, though. You're accepted into the community if you're accepted into the community, not if you can jump through bureaucratic hoops and fill out paperwork. The latter is what has been browbeat into us for decades as the litmus test of what it means to be American—we're clearly seeing that it isn't sufficient.

The curious thing is that we're seeing the emergence, in many ways, of a NEW American identity that isn't NECESSARILY entirely British—it allows for German, Irish, Eastern European, etc. to some degree. The old ethnic Old Country roots are being stamped out as a new White American is being forged.

It's still MOSTLY British, but trying to determine exactly HOW MUCH British it needs to be is purity spiraling in a sense. Americans don't necessarily care about that; it's just an interesting dialect that we can have at places like this where people are (usually) intelligent enough to know how to even talk about that. To the rest of America, there's just "white."

Blogger Pseudotsuga March 14, 2017 4:03 PM  

pyrrhus wrote:

Ben Franklin didn't believe that even the Germans who moved into Pennsylvania were real Americans, and correctly doubted that they would assimilate. In fact, few of them fought on our side in the Revolution.


I have some German ancestry (Protestant religious dissenters fleeing the battlefields of European Catholic vs. Protestant wars in the Palatinate region of the Rhine) who illegally settled in the "wrong" part of Pennsylvania back in the 1700s. Apparently they sided with the Colonists during the revolutionary war, so I guess that branch of my family tree gets to be American 2 generations later!

Anonymous rw95 March 14, 2017 4:04 PM  

Of course you realize that your buddies MILO, Cernovich and Roosh must go back as well, yes Vox?

Anonymous Grayman March 14, 2017 4:08 PM  

Geert working hard!

https://westernrifleshooters.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/c6vp17pwyaa061s.jpg

Blogger Student in Blue March 14, 2017 4:24 PM  

German-Americans must be deported back to Germany, so we can reclaim the motherland and begin the Fourth Reich.

Blogger D. Bay March 14, 2017 4:35 PM  

This is really just wishful drinking. Sure, with Trump in the White House for 4 to 8 years and both Houses of Congress under Republican control, there will be a tightening on immigration, but the genie is out of the bottle. People talk a lot of trash online yet I can't see anyone with the stones to take us back to a pre-1965 America or world.

Blogger Dave March 14, 2017 4:44 PM  

I wish I was drinking right now.

Blogger weka March 14, 2017 4:45 PM  

Not me. I live in New Zealand and am descended from the British colonists.
I am not and never will be American.
If you have to ask, it is probably not you.

Blogger weka March 14, 2017 4:56 PM  

Best reply evah

Anonymous basementhomebrewer March 14, 2017 4:58 PM  

Obvious troll is obvious.

Blogger bob kek mando ( Death To The Boor-geois, Keks To The Lol-etariat ) March 14, 2017 5:09 PM  

63. rw95 March 14, 2017 1:35 PM
And you're not American either, Vox.
Or Italian.
Get out of western civilization. You have no place in it.



a - he's clearly more American than Sarah Hoyt

b - if you're telling him to go native, you DO understand that he should infer from this that he should return to the US and attempt to create a coalition of La Raza and the native Indian nations, yes?

c - 'Hispanic' ( that is, deriving from Latin Hispania / alternatively 'Iberia', ie - the Iberian peninsula, ie - Portugal and Spain ) is as much western Europe as it gets. literally. you go any further west and you drown. it's not the same as the Rights of the Englishmen, but only an idiot would deny that Hispanic culture has a place within the tradition of Western Civ, just as much as the Greeks and the Polacks.

for Christ's sake, Spanish is a ROMANce language, ie - derived directly from Latin.



88. rw95 March 14, 2017 4:04 PM
Of course you realize that your buddies MILO, Cernovich and Roosh must go back as well, yes Vox?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdrq1-my2zs

Milo is a Jew with British citizenship and has never pretended to be American.

Roosh fully acknowledges that he's racially Iranian + Armenian, but by current US law and Jus Soli ... we're the ones calling him an American.


Cernovich i'm not entirely sure about. i suspect the surname might be Jewish. even if so, though, the surname is from Eastern Europe ... and Eastern Europe is definitely part of Western Civ.

hell, the center of gravity for Western Civ was almost entirely in Byzantium for most of the 300ad-1200ad history.



90. Student in Blue March 14, 2017 4:24 PM
German-Americans must be deported back to Germany, so we can reclaim the motherland and begin the Fourth Reich.



*shrugs*

we could conquer the US and then we could deport ALL THE JEWS here.

Blogger Tom March 14, 2017 5:14 PM  

Just poured a triple Milagro neat..

Blogger ZhukovG March 14, 2017 5:15 PM  

D. Bay may be a troll, but he and many sincere people misunderstand the situation. No one has to do anything. The events are already set in motion. We may be able to do something to alter the number of megadeaths involved, and hopefully we can minimize them.

But, the American Nation is going to take its country back. We will have no other choice.

Blogger Silly But True March 14, 2017 5:15 PM  

First start where legal precedent exists? For example DHS can reissue and expand to all States, General Ulysses S. Grant's General Order no. 11?

Blogger Tom March 14, 2017 5:18 PM  

Just poured a triple Milagro neat..

Blogger Pteronarcyd March 14, 2017 5:20 PM  

@9 Robert What? wrote:
"Remind me who real Americans are again?"

The 1790 census gives us our best assessment of what our founding stock was. Naturalization was limited to free White men of good character, so Negroids and Ameroids were excluded from the citizenship roles. Thus, excluding the Negroids counted in 1790, our founding Caucasoid citizenry was about 86.8% British, 9.2% German, 3.4% Dutch, 0.5% French, 0.1% Swedish, and 0.1% Jewish. Remove the Mediterraneans (the French and the Jews, who were Sephardim) and you have a founding stock of citizens that is 99.4% NW European, ie, of Germanic-Celtic culture.

Our founders and framers were nearly all of English Protestant background, so it's fair to say our founding philosophy is that of the Anglo-American Enlightenment, while our founding stock was a bit more broad, Germanic-Celtic.

The US, thus, was founded as a civic supranationalist nation -- discrimination for entry was at a level higher than national ethnicity, but lower than race. For example, we welcomed Caucasoid Germans, but we barred Caucasoid Indians from citizenship on the basis that they were not White (per SCOTUS).

Blogger Dave March 14, 2017 5:33 PM  

Whoa slow down Tom.

Blogger Nick S March 14, 2017 5:38 PM  

The only ones demonstrably conspiring and actively prosecuting an organized, intricate and widespread concerted plan to supervene upon western civilization are the Islamic civilization jihadists, yet they gets a comparatively tiny share of attention. It's extremely well documented, but it's those shifty Jews that trigger all the angst? Personally, I'm not too worried, just now, about Howard Stern or Alan Dershowitz slitting my throat if I refuse to convert to Judaism...Shia LaBeouf, maybe, but I'm reasonably certain Linda Sarsour wouldn't hesitate if given the right circumstance and opportunity. Priorities matter.

Blogger tuberman March 14, 2017 5:51 PM  

VD,
"One thing the American colonists noted is that no white child raised among Indians ever wanted to return to civilized society. And when forcibly returned, they often escaped and went native again."

At about 12 years old, after reading quite a few classic literature books and some cool trash SF, I got interested in tribal cultures, and specifically the oral story-telling and the different mentality that comes with it. I decided that something was lost from becoming too literate (even in "common sense" people, as common sense can be part of the problem). I tried various means of trying to regain that oral perspective...probably with minimal results, but worth attempting.

Blogger Student in Blue March 14, 2017 5:51 PM  

@96. bob k mando
we could conquer the US and then we could deport ALL THE JEWS here.

Yes, but we'd have snazzy uniforms.

Also America's a pretty big place. That's a lotta land to be reclaimin'. Meanwhile Germany is something like the size of Missouri, so it'd be way easier.

Blogger Noah B The MacroAggressor March 14, 2017 6:00 PM  

@103 Personally, I'm not too worried, just now, about Howard Stern or Alan Dershowitz slitting my throat if I refuse to convert to Judaism...

Of course not. They won't slit your throat, one of the "Syrians" they bring into the country will.

Anonymous Dismal Farmer March 14, 2017 6:08 PM  

Interesting point but wrong. "America" is not a nation and will never be a nation. America is a state which governs multiple nations, including the Nortenos who have resided in America longer than anyone else and have the oldest cultural claim. The problem will not be served by a mythical American "nationalism" which is utter nonsense. The problem will be solved by good government. Good government, which is based on what actually works and is thus illiberal and never democratic, is always capable of ruling peacefully over multiple nations.
The idea that a Bostonian of Puritan descent and a St Paulian of Swedish descent are or can ever be part of the same nation is preposterous and betrays a total lack of understanding of what nationalism actually is.
Immigration is not the problem. Bad government is the problem. Since US Government is abysmal, immigration is too much of a distraction and needs to be curtailed. But were the US to have even a mediocre government as measured by the ability to actually govern, immigration would be a non-issue and nobody would care about it. Immigration problems are not the cause of civilizational decline but the result.

Anonymous rw95 March 14, 2017 6:11 PM  

@96

Buddy, eastern Europe is definitely NOT western civilization. And if Roosh is allowed to be considered an American, that kinda means you endorse "civic nationalism."

And yeah, German Americans need to be deported as well. You know as well as I do how Franklin thought about those filthy Krauts.

Anonymous Dismal Farmer March 14, 2017 6:18 PM  

To clarify, Vox, even your example in the stream illustrates my point. Even Italy is not a "nation". Nobody thinks Sicilians = Milanese. Italy is a state which welded together various civic nations. Likewise America is a state (by nature and design, an empire) which rules over multiple nations. Greater recognition of nationalism within America would probably be culturally healthy, but it is nonsense to suggest Connecticut and New Mexico have any common nation. And were USG not a total disaster because based on the nonsense of liberal democracy, these various nations of the American Empire would coexist synergistically. Including the nation of Northern Mexico which is entirely a part of the empire in every way but legally.

Anonymous Dismal Farmer March 14, 2017 6:20 PM  

By "civic nation" I simply mean nations which coalesced around cities. Not the modern bastardizarion of "civic".

Blogger Noah B The MacroAggressor March 14, 2017 6:25 PM  

Vox, on the point of Dismal Farmer's comments, IIRC not that long ago your position was that (paraphrasing here) America consisted of four nations: white, brown, black, and red. Now comes the statement, "America is a nation."

I resolved the apparent contradiction in my own mind by taking your more recent statement rhetorically, but I wondered if you'd be willing to clarify what you mean or how your thinking on this subject has changed.

Blogger weka March 14, 2017 6:31 PM  

The United States has never been a nation. It was once a united group of nations.

It is now an empire... And empires can unravel.

Anonymous Tanjil Bren March 14, 2017 6:50 PM  

"Of course you realize that your buddies MILO, Cernovich and Roosh must go back as well, yes Vox?"

I'm sure he does.

And I suspect it's why they don't agree with him.

Blogger Nick S March 14, 2017 7:28 PM  

@106 "Of course not. They won't slit your throat, one of the "Syrians" they bring into the country will."

Good point that can be dealt with simultaneously, but the primary focus should be on eliminating the imminent existential threat. When a swordsman is attacking you, your main concern isn't how he obtained his scimitar.

Blogger rumpole5 March 14, 2017 7:41 PM  

The sucessive waves of non English immigrants did significant damage to the American culture. The Irish brought Tammsny Hall corruption, the Itallians perfected organized crime. The Germans (my forebearers) are entirely too deferential to government. I thank God that the English have remained the dominant culture in the USA. Few places in the world are worth a damn that were not once under English rule.

Blogger neal March 14, 2017 7:51 PM  

How does one cite the mystery of the Creator's choices within their statistics?

Or is that playing, and eugenics?

Better kill something and learn to live with the results.
Hell, in this place, the rocks make more damned sense.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd March 14, 2017 7:52 PM  

Grayman wrote:Ask the russians under your bed if they have any Saiga-12's they might like to drop off as well.

Mr.MantraMan wrote:I want RPG-29s from my under the bed Russians

How do I get Russians under my bed? I look every night, but they haven't showed up yet.

When they finally show under my bed, I'm going to be asking for an RPD.

Anonymous Sheiko29 March 14, 2017 7:54 PM  

Seems abortion would aid in the desired demographic change. As I recall it is disproportionately utilized by POC and Walmart whites.

Hell, Sanger even said "The most urgent problem today is how to limit and discourage the over-fertility of the mentally and physically defective."

Blogger Robert What? March 14, 2017 8:09 PM  

@Vox,

Those who were Americans in 1791. Give the cuck rhetoric a rest, Robert. It doesn't fool anyone. Everyone sees through the "because there were Germans in Pennsylvania in 1750, my Nigerian wife and my adopted Tanzanian child are just as American as Thomas Jefferson" line.

No one is maintaining any such nonsense. I clearly referenced people of White European descent. You are blowing off a completely legitimate question. If, as you say, you are either American or not, it is perfectly reasonable to ask generally how you define that? Is, for example, a person whose ancestors emigrated from Sicily in the mid 1800s American or not?

Anonymous Avalanche March 14, 2017 8:10 PM  

@117 "How do I get Russians under my bed? I look every night, but they haven't showed up yet."

Put out cookies and mil...oh wait...never mind.

Blogger Robert What? March 14, 2017 8:13 PM  

Cail, if someone is either American or not, why is it unreasonable to ask how that is defined? My ancestors arrived in the mid and late 1800s, but I am not of Anglo descent. Am I am an American or not?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 14, 2017 8:21 PM  

Student in Blue wrote:Meanwhile Germany is something like the size of Missouri, so it'd be way easier.
Tell that to the Marines.

Nick S wrote
:When a swordsman is attacking you, your main concern isn't how he obtained his scimitar.
When he has 4 million sworsmen lined up, It's pointless to worry about them The puppetmaster is the appropriate target, not the swordsmen.

Blogger Nick S March 14, 2017 9:02 PM  

When he has 4 million sworsmen lined up, It's pointless to worry about them The puppetmaster is the appropriate target, not the swordsmen.

I would suggest you investigate the puppetmasters.

Anonymous Mycroft Jones March 14, 2017 9:10 PM  

@55 In Western Canada, the numbers of feather Indians is high and growing fast. 50% of Western Canadians have some Indian blood, and the pure blood Indian populations are recovering quickly. Sort of like the honeybee population. For the past 30 years, there have been almost no wild honeybees, now they are coming back.

Blogger bob kek mando ( Death To The Boor-geois, Keks To The Lol-etariat ) March 14, 2017 10:12 PM  

105. Student in Blue March 14, 2017 5:51 PM
Meanwhile Germany is something like the size of Missouri, so it'd be way easier.



this is the Scarcity Mentality of the untermensch.

we of the Fourth Reich shall take EVERYTHING. you, who have not the Will To Power, may clean our toilets.


108. rw95 March 14, 2017 6:11 PM
Buddy, eastern Europe is definitely NOT western civilization.


Asia is not Western Civilization, dipshit.

if'n you want to get fancy, the Orthodox Church is generally considered outside of Western Civ ... which is truly bizarre given that classical Greece is foundational too it.

even Wikipedia knows that Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, et al are "Western Civ".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_culture#/media/File:Clash_of_Civilizations_map.png


i note that modern 'definitions' of Western Civ are actually about the Cold War and Orthodox / Catholic Church and ignore the actual history of Western Civ.

i wonder why that is?

regardless, we ALWAYS considered the Polacks, etc "Eastern European" for immigration purposes.



108. rw95 March 14, 2017 6:11 PM
And if Roosh is allowed to be considered an American, that kinda means you endorse "civic nationalism."



nope, i have no problem with sending Roosh back, forcefully if necessary.

i'm just point out that there is currently no mechanism to do so.

which is an entirely different question than Mexican illegals or Muslim jihadists pretending to need sanctuary.

Blogger ZhukovG March 14, 2017 10:16 PM  

@Robert What: Look, first I doubt any of us is going to be called to judge who is and who is not American in any official capacity. At least not anytime soon.

Nations are made up of people. So like people they develop over time. They change, they adapt. Some are weak, some are strong. Some have a strong sense of identity and some don't.

The American Nation in the 18th century developed a strong sense of identity. However, in the following 200 years this identity became diluted and weakened. The rise of Pres. Donald Trump signals that the American National identity is strengthening again.

Agonizing over whether or not you're descended from the original British Americans is pointless.

What is going to happen will happen and it is very likely the American National identity will develop in ways that we can't accurately predict at this time.

Blogger bob kek mando ( Death To The Boor-geois, Keks To The Lol-etariat ) March 14, 2017 10:18 PM  

frankly, i don't even care if we send Cernovich back.

you mistake my analyzing your post to test it for THE STOOPID as an actual statement of my personal policy beliefs.

you've now presented two datum points indicating that you are positive.

Anonymous E. March 14, 2017 10:48 PM  

Took my daughter to the children's museum downtown in my southern state. Literally an entire class of children (about 30 kids) were Hispanic and 2 were black. No other races. The chaperones were also entirely Hispanic. I grew up in southern California so Hispanic immigration is not new to me - but this was unlike anything I had ever seen. This is the South - not AZ or CA or TX. The shit is getting very real. It's all fun and games when Jorge and Jesus build our houses for us and mow our laws, but Vox is 1000% right that our culture and country are no longer are own. I'm terrified for the mess I'm leaving my children and I hope that future generations will forgive the burdens we are placing on them.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 14, 2017 11:28 PM  

Nick S wrote:I would suggest you investigate >the puppetmasters.

Your naivete is almost cute.

Almost

Blogger DrAndroSF March 14, 2017 11:56 PM  

People who scorn the notion of an American nation seem ignorant of how the French came to be the French, just for one European example. These now solid identities did not explode fully bordered and clear from Zeus' head, but grew organically, and often violently, over time, much time. The same is true of every European people. And, of course, the concept of a "European" people was itself a development based on a common Christian identity. Which then gave us all, even the Vikings and Germans, a common root in Greece, the motherland of Western culture.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit March 15, 2017 3:50 AM  

KSC wrote:How would this apply to a pre-1965 US resident who married and had children with a post-1965 US resident? Which bloodline would be taken into account for the purpose of the demographic shift?

Once we've got rid of the migrants can we kick out all of the tedious pedants next? I will quite happily decide who does or doesn't fit the criteria without any navel gazing.

Blogger Buybuydandavis March 15, 2017 5:37 AM  

pyrrhus wrote:
Ben Franklin didn't believe that even the Germans who moved into Pennsylvania were real Americans, and correctly doubted that they would assimilate.


I saw an ethnic breakdown of the Trump vote.

Self identifying Germans supported Trump most and hated Obama most.

I'd really like to see a demographic analysis of white SJWs.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/peteraldhous/trump-and-the-white-vote?utm_term=.inJJE5BPw9#.fdqQZPjmdJ

Blogger Mama Pepe March 15, 2017 9:49 AM  

High energy thread. They gotta go back. We have to keep morale high and retake our culture.

https://youtu.be/hzGQn1y0r0Y

Blogger Student in Blue March 15, 2017 1:06 PM  

@bob k. mando
this is the Scarcity Mentality of the untermensch.

we of the Fourth Reich shall take EVERYTHING. you, who have not the Will To Power, may clean our toilets.


Nein, my friend. It is not Scarcity Mentality, it is pure efficiency. Pure, glorious, efficiency. *breathes slightly heavier*

Blogger Nick S March 15, 2017 1:28 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:Your naivete is almost cute.

Almost


I presume you're alluding to the CIA's creation of the Muslim Brotherhood. True, but the Muslim Brotherhood cut those strings decades ago. One of the interesting things to me is the shared values of SJW culture and the Arab culture. There is a certain air of simpatico between them and Islam is currently exploiting that to their advantage. Their infiltration and deceitful arrogation coup is quickly reaching a bifurcation moment that will be unstoppable if not addressed soon.

Anonymous Mr. Rational March 16, 2017 12:19 AM  

Sheiko29 wrote:Sanger even said "The most urgent problem today is how to limit and discourage the over-fertility of the mentally and physically defective."
Some of the most triggering words to the right and even alt-right are "Margaret Sanger was right."

When 72% of the abortions in Mississippi are performed on Black women, it is undeniable.

Blogger Unknown March 17, 2017 10:13 AM  

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Blogger Unknown March 17, 2017 12:47 PM  

There are no new Americans

A headline worth waiting for. All that's left is for the old ones to die out and the place to be cleaned, then it can be rented out again.

Blogger Mark Jeffery March 20, 2017 8:52 AM  

"Cucking". Really?

Anonymous Anonymous March 22, 2017 1:14 AM  

Votes

Blogger Bigmo March 22, 2017 7:17 AM  

It's easy. Blacks will revolt sooner or later. Then party over for immigrants. Simple. Steve King's point.

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